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Looking Into Radiant Heating For Concrete Floor

I would like to put radiant heating in the lower level of my 1978-built split level. The floor is poured concrete. I was hoping to put something on top of the existing concrete floor. and then put something like a Pergo floor on top of that. Are there any DIY systems that you can recommend.

I understand I may need a Professional HVAC person to do the connections to the heat source.

Jay L.


You could probably avoid hiring a professional for everything... if you don't mind a little covert home improvement action, stealthily snaking PEX tubing in the night while wearing fatigues.

You would also need to be familiar with making the plumbing connections and adding another loop to your existing hydronic (hot water) heating system. You DO already have a hydronic heating system, don't you? Adding a system for just that lower level would not be worth it.

Now if I was faced with the same scenario, I would just install ceramic tile on the concrete floor (or marble tile, if I was feeling rich) after laying down floor warming cables such as the ones shown on our site in the flooring section.

You can install tile directly on concrete... the most you'll have to do is rough up any paint that is on the floor.

Installing true radiant heating (which is not the same as floor warming cables) would also require pouring a layer of new concrete over the PEX tubing. This would probably be about 2 inches thick, which would reduce the headroom by that amount, and make the bottom stair riser different from the others (a small nuisance). And installing Pergo or any wood flooring will only serve to insulate you from all that heat... kinda counter-productive I would say.

What is the primary problem? Is the lower level too cold? Is just the floor too cold?

Some thoughts:

Simply adding Pergo over the concrete (with the usual thin layer of foam insulation) will add a decent level of insulation, changing a cold floor to a cool floor.

Are there leaky, drafty windows that are letting in a lot of cold air?

Is the present heating system adjusted properly? A lot of houses have forced air heating systems but the owners don't realize there are dampers that can be adjusted to close off the air flow to individual rooms. Is there a damper for the lower level that is nearly shut?

If you have forced air heating, and the damper is wide open, you might be able to add another duct. This can be done by most people.

Also, you can add a helper fan to an existing duct to add extra "oomph" to the air flow. These fans are connected to the furnace blower so they only run when the blower runs. This could be done by most people who have basic familiarity with electrical projects.

Can you just add a baseboard electric heater? Baseboard electric is the cheapest heating system to install... and the most expensive to run. But it's also easy to control with a thermostat on the wall, so you can leave it off when nobody's using the room.

Do you need more insulation around the lower level? You might be able to add insulation around the outside, if you don't mind digging a trench. Adding two inches of Styrofoam to the outside should help keep the lower level much warmer. You can rent a small excavator (such as the Terra-Mite I once rented) for about $200 a day. It's a real mini-me backhoe... and it's a blast! But don't hit any gas lines, or it'll be a blast literally! You need to call the utility line locator service (every state has one, in Michigan it's called Miss Dig) to locate all underground gas, water, phone and electric lines.

You might be able to add insulation on the inside, if you are going to do some other remodeling. Also, check for drafts around the area where the concrete meets the wood framing. This strip is notorious for air leakage. Caulk away.


There are probably a lot of other options I'm not thinking of right now. Take some time and assess the problem. What is the worst aspect of that part of the house? Try to find out why it's so cold. Do you want to do any other changes to that lower level? I strongly encourage people to think big and make all the changes as part of one larger project, to avoid having to undo something later.

If you really are set on radiant in-floor heating, then I would suggest calling some local plumbing-and-heating contractors and getting some input from them. See if any are willing to work with you. Some will only want to do the entire job themselves, yet some contractors don't mind if the homeowner does a labor-intensive part of the job. But I don't think installing the in-floor tubing is all that labor-intensive, so I doubt you'd save much.

 

Bruce W. Maki, Editor.

 

 

 

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